Survey USA, who has a pretty good track record this primary season, released a poll taken 3/29 – 3/31 showing Clinton leading Obama 52 to 43 in Indiana. As per usual, old white women break heavily for Clinton and young black men break heavily for Obama.
Hoosier 1st says
My friends, having grown up in Southern IN, the name Lee Hamilton has a magical touch. He’s a social moderate with fiscal conservatism, but a man who is still looked at as the foreign policy guru on the Dem side. He served many terms in the US House and along with Lugar, is one of the most respected Hoosier politicians ever. Even my Republican grandparents used to respect his opinion. (Even co-chaired the Iraq Study Commission.)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/1/22642/52732/565/488614
He endorsed Obama for President, and this will play well to calm the nerves of Southern conservative Dems. Way to go!! I would not expect any other Dem Congressmen here to endorse before the primary.
But once again, Lee, thanks!
Doug says
Wow, that’s pretty big. Lee Hamilton is a very solid endorsement.
katie says
I’ll bet there are a lot of those old white women in your life; someday your wife and daughter will fall into your descriptive, pity them.
“…old white women break heavily for Clinton …”
Doug says
There are lots of people of many descriptions in my life . . . though, I suppose more old white women than young black men. Middle aged white men seems, more and more, to be my prime demographic. Funny how that happens.
katie says
Funny — what exactly is funny about that?
Doug says
More “funny-peculiar” and less “funny-ha ha”. But, mainly I was being facetious. It’s probably not especially remarkable that age groups, ethnic groups, religious groups, or any other kind of group you care to name tend, primarily, to associate with individuals who have similar characteristics.
So, when I was a young boy, I mostly hung out with other young boys. My demographic has aged with me.
Rev. AJB says
Yeah…but I still refuse to be lumped in the “middle age” category!
Hoosier 1st says
I will never be middle aged… just jump from adolescent to crotchety McSame old.
Doug says
Sorry Rev! If the life expectancy of the American male is something like 74 years old, I think 38 – 39 is right, smack-dab in the middle. . . and not on the good side, either.
Rev. AJB says
Guess I just don’t feel my age…that’s all!
katie says
Problem is your comment about ‘old white women’ was perjoratively intented, right? Otherwise, you would also have pointed out that Sen. Clinton also has a strong demographic following of middle age white males.
Doug says
No. Nor was my comment about young black men intended pejoratively. My quick glance at the survey results suggested those were the extreme ends of the spectrum for each candidate. Obviously the candidates have varying levels of support in between the two poles.
T says
I like being middle-aged, because for middle-aged, I look GOOD. Feel good, too.
I couldn’t do a thing about being awkward in the teens, unremarkable in the 20’s, etc. But now–just keep the weight off, don’t smoke (or drink to excess), stay active, and rise to the top of my peer-group. Sure there are days I wonder if I’ve lost a step, or if the long irresistable decline has started. But a good night’s sleep or a trip to the gym usually fixes that. Or even better–a vacation. Most of the people who claim “40 is the new 30” or whatever, are living right and putting forth the effort.
So far I haven’t found much to grip about with this middle-age stuff.
And thanks to a change in corporate policy, I still get carded at Wal-Mart.
Getting back to the point, would “older white women” be the more polite descriptive? I know “elderly” isn’t the right word! The funny thing about the English language is that the term “older women” generally seems like a younger descriptive than the term “old women”.
Doug says
I’ve always identified with that lyric from the Byrds song, “My Back Pages” (written by Bob Dylan, I guess): “I was so much older then, I’m younger than that now.”
I was a very serious kid. I lightened up quite a bit when I got to college. I suspect I have more of a childish sense of humor now than I did then.
Certainly, my 4 year old and I both think the term “poopy butt” is pretty funny.
Lou says
I like the way the French refer to middle age people. In both languages there are no exact bookends to the age range.They say ‘les gens(les femmes) d’un certain age’ ‘people(women) of a certain age’ And if a woman (especially) wants to be coy she might say ‘Im not yet of a certain age/ i’m of a certain age or I’m past a certain age’. It’s a language game that you cannot play in English and it’s played a lot in French.It’s part of their highly developed system of ‘la politesse mechanique'(formulated cultural politeness) which drives the uninitiated crazy,even if they think they speak French.
katie says
“Certainly, my 4 year old and I both think the term “poopy butt†is pretty funny.”
Really, in this instance I find your favorite ‘shit the bed’ remark to be a lot funnier!
Rev. AJB says
My kids like “poopy butt,” too.
My mother-in-law once went in a store and asked the clerk, “Where do you keep your shitted feets?” My wife still loves that one!
Doug, I feel the same way you do (I was always actng much older than my age)-and T too. Now that I have changed my diet, gone back to the gym and shed 35-40 pounds (with 30 more to go!) the arthritis in my knee is bearable, and my ankle has healed from a bad injury last year. I feel like the 40’s will be the best decade yet. But I still refuse to be called middle aged! It just sounds much older than I feel, that’s all.
BTW I’m leaning towards being a 30-something male for Obama.
T says
But… but… but he has a CRAZY BLACK PASTOR!
Seriously, quit leaning. After the last eight years, what could you possibly be afraid of voting for Obama?
My boy (aged 2.5 yrs) farts and then announces, “Tom toots!” If you then look at his belly, he’s clearly trying to toot again, for the pure pleasure of it.
Joe says
FWIW, Doug, you may want to change the category on this post.
Doug says
Oops. Thanks for the heads up. Changed from “2008 Governor” to “2008 Presidency.”
Rev. AJB says
Boy, I’d sure hate if my words ended up as sound bites on t.v.
By leaning I mean that I am definitely NOT voting for McCain. And I don’t need to have my mind completely made up for a month.
max says
“old white women”- it is amazing how many bloggers I have lost respect for through this process.
Word choices are very telling Doug, I hope that your daughter reads this when she is old enough.
Doug says
“Old white women” earns condemnation and loss of respect. Not a peep about “young black men.” Explain this to me. I don’t get the logic.
Brenda says
I don’t get it. What is the difference between “old white women” and “young black men” (besides the obvious)? No one seems to take issue with “young black men.” It’s almost as if you see something *bad* or *wrong* about being old…
– a woman who is getting older by the minute
Brenda says
ha, you jumped it right before me, Doug.
Brenda says
uh… jumped *in* right before me
T says
And the dead white women aren’t voting this year, thanks to new ID laws.
Speaking of which… I got my new drivers’ license yesterday. How festive. All light blue and pink pastel. I’m not sure if my drivers’ license is gay, or just from South Beach. And if someone finds the main picture too stimulating, they can focus on the soft-focus little thumbnail picture in the lower right corner. It’s a snazzy little ID card, indeed.
Rev. AJB says
Dead old white women and dead young black men can still vote in East Chicago.