Within the past couple of days, Gov. Daniels announced that he was going to run for re-election in 2008. I did not pay much attention because it didn’t seem like news, particularly. I think most folks suspected he would run again all along, and it’s been clear since he announced his Very Special Announcement that this would be the case. Following the announcement, I saw several commentators discussing how Gov. Daniels is an agent of change. For example, Abdul says, “He hasn’t always been polite about it, but he has made change in a place where change is a four-letter word.” The Fort Wayne Journal Gazette says, “the governor’s record will be viewed as an asset by Hoosiers tired of the status quo and eager to put Indiana’s cautious ways to rest.”
Here is the thing. Change is value neutral. Backward and forward are both changes from the status quo. Those who value change for change’s sake are the same folks who seem to think that legislators need to “do something” in response to a situation without much consideration for what that “something” might be. To evaluate Gov. Daniels, you have to ask yourself whether the changes are good. Do you like the idea of more power in the executive branch? Do you like the idea of privatizing our highways? Do you like Eastern Daylight Time for 2/3 of the state and Central Daylight Time for 1/3 of the state? Do you like the idea of the state budget being balanced on the backs of the local governments? Do you like the idea of a substantial number of executive branch departments being headed by members of the Indianapolis business community?
One more thought on change. My daughter, Harper, is a significant agent of change. She is “bold.” She has little patience for negotiation and the bothersome niceties of rules and the opinions of others. She has a take charge personality. But is she a visionary leader to whom we should entrust the reins of government? Probably not, she’s two.
But, boy, is she photogenic. I don’t know: Harper Lee Masson 2008 has a certain ring to it.
She certainly would be more effective than our current Lieutenant Governor. And she’s cuter too!
That’s a very thought-provoking comment Doug made that change is value neutral so change can be either progressive or regressive is the implication..Politicians can still get by with advertising change as a positive…no immediate details need be given… We americans still think that change is synonymous with progress. We’ve always been an upbeat people,with positive views of the future… Was it Voltaire who wrote: ‘The more things change the more they stay the same?’ That’s been true in France for a long time and it may be the new reality in this country also from now on.
“There are two kinds of fool.
One says ‘This is old, and therefore good.’
The other says ‘This is new, and therefore better’. ”
Let both of these asses be set to grind corn!
I agree, Doug. I don’t disagree with the general position of many Daniels supporters that Hoosiers can be change-averse to a fault, but it doesn’t therefore follow that everyone who opposes any single change is just a backward hick who can’t stand progress. I supported Mitch’s position on DST, I’m up and down on the toll road deal, staunchly opposed to the Commerce Connector, and pretty skeptical of privatization of vital government services (or pretending that government services are analogous to retail stores). Change zealots like Abdul and Indiana Barrister might find it hard to imagine that someone can support some changes and oppose others based on the merit of individual ideas rather than because of some Luddite philosophy.
I can not stand the Governor!I would vote for any life form that was running against him.He and his DST crew have cause more fighting and fussing in this part of the state than I have ever seen!Hard feelings between counties friends and neighbors!For John M who agrees with Daniels on DST with all due respect I suspect you do not have to cross a time zone boundary twice a day while commuting to and from work causing numerous inconveniences for families.
Phillip,
I’m in your court. Governor Daniels is an egotistical extension of President Bush. He does what he thinks is right (many call him little Napoleon), and could care less what the people think. A classic example to support my position was one of my associates had a meeting in person with Governor Daniels about daylight savings time and the time zone issue, and walked out of that meeting very distraught. The governor told him basically that the whole issue of daylight savings time and time zones was decided before the hearings ever took place. And that would explain why he had several legislators escorted down to his office, and basically twisted their arm to change their vote against the wishes of their constituents, to vote for daylight savings time. Someone might say “How do you know this?”
I talked to several different legislators who confirmed this whole situation to me. And just to further substantiate my claim of underhandedness by Governor Daniels, the senator from Gary voted no to daylight savings time in committee, but after being granted appropriations by the state for improvements on the Gary airport, suddenly changed her vote to “Yes.”
The whole idea of Eastern daylight savings time is ridiculous for Indiana. Do you realize that Indiana is the only state that lies entirely geographically within one time zone (Central) but most of the state is assigned by the DOT to another time zone (Eastern). For those that like Eastern daylight savings time because it allows them more time to do things after work, I bet everyone is out on the golf course in this 90 degree weather (not). And how about the kids playing little league baseball. I bet they appreciate playing in the hot sun till they pass out from heat stroke. And where’e that energy savings, having to run your air conditioner that extra hour till the sun goes down.
The whole idea of missed meetings and disruption of commerce by not observing daylight savings time is bogus. It all revolves around corporate employees who are so inefficient that they can’t keep tracked of time. Just look at Arizona, which doesn’t observe daylight savings time, is the corporate headquarters of American Express and Pet Smart, and is one of the fastest growing states. Indiana corporate employees must be lazy, because that can’t plan ahead enough to get out of the office early enough to mow the yard, play a round of golf, or as they claim spend more outdoor time with the children. And if you can’t keep track of time and Arizona can, I guess that just further supports the idea that hoosiers are just hicks who can’t even keep track of time (Shame of you corporate employees).
Before Eastern daylight savings time went into effect, you had enough time to get up, get in an early morning jog or bike ride to get your blood circulating and your mind functioning before you go into work, so you could perform at your peak. Not anymore, since it is not light early enough to get your workout in, and in fact 8 months out of the year, its dark until 7:00 or later. Real nice for the school children waiting for the bus. And remember the name Patricia Tink of Clear Lake, Indiana, who died this April because the bus driver did not see her in the morning dark.
The convenience of commerce argument has holes shot right through it when you take into consideration that Starke, Marshall & St. Joseph Counties are all in the same Basic Trading Area (Commerce), yet Governor Daniels and the DOT in their lack of wisdom thought it was more important to keep St. Joseph and Elkhart Counties in the same time zone (Hold the presses, Elkhart is not even in the same BTA as St Joseph County). Splitting Starke and Marshall Counties has caused extreme disruption in my commerce in that 40,000 of my customers a year come a hour late for a movie.
What it all boils down to is politics. How is Governor Daniels going to perform without his Washington, D.C. connection (Bush) if he is re-elected. I for one, am going to make sure, even if he is re-elected that the next president, looks into the whole process of time zone determinations in Indiana (I’m sure a Democratic president will have a good time kicking Governor Daniels right where it counts).
hoosiersforcentraltime.com
Well Phillip, You’ll get used to it. Up here in Steuben County (bordering MI & OH) we were doing exactly what you are now for as long as I can remember. We managed, so will you. Life’s too short, get 2 watches.
HEY!!! Wait just a minute.
“And remember the name Patricia Tink of Clear Lake, Indiana, who died this April because the bus driver did not see her in the morning dark.”
That’s out of bounds!
The dark had NOTHING to do with that tragic accident. Don’t use a little girls death from my community to bolster your case. If you have a case against time change then make it, but don’t make stuff up because it might fit your cause. Not cool at all.
By Kara Lopp
The Journal Gazette
A 12-year-old girl who was run over by her school bus Tuesday morning has died.
Patricia Tink, of Fremont, was flown to Parkview Hospital with injuries to her abdomen and pelvis, according to the Steuben County Sheriff’s Department. She died from her injuries at 11:30 a.m., police said.
According to police, the school bus stopped at Steuben County Road 925 East, north of Indiana 120, to pick up Tink and her younger sister just before 7 a.m.
Tink’s sister, who was on the bus at the time of the accident, told bus driver, Carolee Boes, 44, of Fremont, that the 12-year-old was not going to school, police said. The bus driver didn’t see Tink and started driving down the road.
The girl hit the side of the school bus, falling underneath and was run over by the wheels on the driver’s side, according to the sheriff’s department.
For more on this story see Wednesday’s Journal Gazette or visit http://www.journalgazette.net. after 7 a.m.
Tim Zank,
I am not going to get used to anything.The time zone won’t effect me one way or another as far as work.Two watches does not help the commuters burdened by this in regard to their family time which by the way is a greater number being inconvenienced if the re-petitioning counties return to Eastern time by the thousands.
What earthly good would two watches do for a person getting off work at 5:00pm Central time,then driving a hour and getting home at 7:00pm?
The question is were you doing the time zone diffence from the end of October to the first week of April a little over five months or year round?I worked in Evansville for a time and lived with the commute for a little over five months a year.Most people excepted this kind of inconvenience because it wasn’t year round now it is for some and will be for a different group if the petition is granted.
Tim,
Unless you have information to the contrary, the morning when the accident happened at 7 AM it was still dark. Given the fact that 1. the bus driver didn’t see Patricia, and if it was light out likely would have, and 2. that Patricia hit the side of the bus ( and would not have done so with adequate morning light), morning darkness can not be ruled out as a contributing factor. As an owner of a drive-in movie theatre, I’ve seen first hand children hit the sides of vehicles simply because the could not see the vehicle in the dark, which prompted us to install lighting to prevent this from happening. So to state I’m out of bounds, give me compelling evidence to justify your statement, and disprove mine.
hoosiersforcentraltime.com
Phillip:
Your argument seems to be less an argument against DST than an argument against time zones in general. Indiana is near the line between the Eastern and Central time zones. Whether the line is drawn along Indiana’s eastern border, western border, or through Indiana, some Hoosiers inevitably will be inconvenienced. Putting the whole state on DST would inconvenience more people because of the substantial number of Hoosiers who commute into Chicago, Louisville, and Cincinnati. There’s nothing that can be done about it, save convincing Congress to move the line hundreds of miles away.
Phillip: The two watches suggestion was facetious, lighten up. We stayed the same every spring and summer while our surrounding neighbors all changed ahead one hour, so it wasn’t year around. My point is, we were “inconvenienced” for 30 some years, we adjusted. Somebody will always be inconvenienced as the “line” has to be somewhere doesn’t it?
Mr. Kinney: In April in Steuben County, it’s not pitch black at 7:00 a.m. You are ASSUMING, because it fits neatly into your agenda, that this death would have been avoided had we not had a time change. That’s a mighty big assumption.
With all deference to your expertise watching kids walk into cars in the dark, I think it prudent to defer to the experts in law enforcement on this one.
Then of course, there is always the “common sense” factor too. If in fact this tragedy was the result of the time change, don’t you think the “ditch mitch” crowd would have already beat this like a dead horse? Think about it, even the loons farther left than you didn’t try to exploit this.
We are a small community, we don’t take our losses lightly, and we don’t appreciate you sensationalizing a tragedy because your pissed about time zones.
You say:
“So to state I’m out of bounds, give me compelling evidence to justify your statement, and disprove mine.”
It’s not incumbent upon me or other decent people to “disprove” your theory. The issue of “darkness” NEVER came up in any way, shape or form and HAD it been a contributing factor it would have been noted by law enforcement. It wasn’t.
I don’t care if you have a beef with the governor, EST, or anything else, by all means argue your case, just do it without making s#&t up to fit your argument.
I don’t get the significance of the kid hitting the side of the bus. I can understand the driver might not have seen the kid due to darkness. But it sounds like the driver wouldn’t have looked again in daylight anyway if told the kid wasn’t coming. But if the kid hit the side of the bus due to darkness, I can only guess that the abundant marker lights on the bus were all burned out, and the kid was deaf. Otherwise the bus would have been visible and audible regardless of time of day.
In my neighborhood, our bus service was taken away and given to another area of town as a political concession for closing their school down. I walked a bit over a mile to school starting at age 8 or 9, and yes it was in total darkness in the winter, and included crossing U.S. 40 (a four lane highway). I looked both ways, walked on the left side of the road, used sidewalks when able, crossed the highway at the stoplight, and the boogey man never got me.
Hey T: I’m from Richmond, and did the same thing. Had to cross US 40 to get to Dennis Jr. High–now “Middle School.” There were a lot of things we used to do back in the day–use mercury thermometers, go to school in snow and ice storms, not use child safety seats in cars, etc. Doesn’t mean that we’re all wimps now, because we don’t persist in our past follies.
Children are not presumed to have the same judgment as adults–one reason all lanes of traffic must stop when a school bus stops. I don’t typically agree with Tim Zank–and still don’t agree with him about DST–but this accident was a tragedy, and your remarks the bus lights being burned out and the kid being deaf are inappropriate, IMO.
Tim,
First off, lets get the title correct. It’s Dr. Kinney. I earned that title.
Second,I use factual data to arrive at my conclusions, and according to U.S. Naval Observatory data sunrise on Monday April 2 (the day of the accident) on Eastern daylight savings time was at 7:23 AM and dawn (earliest possible light) was at 6:55 AM. So based on that data, your going to tell me that morning darkness had nothing to do with it. Let’s be realistic.
I don’t think they’re inappropriate at all. I clearly stated that the darkness may have limited the ability of the driver to see. But if a child walks into the side of a moving bus, it isn’t because the child didn’t see the bus. The child would have made the same mistake in daylight. I’m presuming the child was at the door, wasn’t seen, lost balance, fell under bus. So it wasn’t an issue of the child not knowing the bus was there. The child clearly saw and heard the bus despite the darkness, due to engine noise and marker lights. All the other kids obviously saw the bus well enough to get on the bus. They didn’t bounce off the side. No, the main factor appears to be that a sibling said, “Sis isn’t riding the bus today.” At that point, all riders are accounted for, the driver closes the door, and eyes go forward so driving can commence. So even in daylight, given those circumstances, the driver might have made the same mistake. Now maybe the driver would have taken one last look in the parabolic mirror on the forward right side to make sure no one was there. But maybe not. That’s why I said the darkness might have been a factor for the driver, but why I have to differ about the notion that the child “would not have hit the side of the bus in daylight”. Such a statement seems to imply deafness or inability to perceive light on the child’s part, which I don’t think was the case. All the other kids saw the bus, and I would presume she saw it too. It isn’t that she didn’t see the bus–she just didn’t expect it to move when it did.
The problem I have with this debate and it’s Eastern time mouth piece Ice Miller LLP is that they constantly issue false info which is too numerous to go into but we have successfully thwarted them or caught them submitting false information twice to the DOT First in the Joint Petition,and second in their follow up after we submitted two rebuttals to their first two sets of documentation hence this is why it is taking them so long to prove their Eastern time case for SW Indiana.We will be submitting two more rebuttals to Ice Millers latest or third clarification to the DOT.
All I know about the Clear lake fatality is it happened in darkness at a school bus stop.Unusual morning darkness which we get with Eastern time.I know of no such fatalities because of the early evening darkness in this state we get with Central time in Fall and Winter.This is a legitimate issue since in Ice Millers latest attempt they cite a Kansas school bus stop safety study saying fatalities are more likly to occur in the evening.a group of Dubois county school bus drivers submitted in favor of remaining on Central time because the early morning light aids them especially during bad weather.Ice Miller also drug out and dusted off that old 1970’s energy study which is rediculous.In 1970 in the neighborhood I lived in which wasn’t necessarily poor hardly anyone owned a air conditioner.
Dr. Kinney, I apologize for the slight with regards your salutation. I would suggest if one desires to be addressed as Doctor, one should sign ones name as Doctor, thereby supplying the proverbial “heads up” to those of us who may not be privy as to just how important you truly are.
That being said, I find it absolutely miraculous that holding a PHD in Pharmacology & Toxicology would somehow enable you to see what the bus driver, the state police, the sheriffs department, the print reporter, the radio reporter, the sister, the other kids on the bus and the metropolitan school district DIDN”T see.
Regardless of any higher education you may lay claim to, it obviously added nothing to your moral fiber, as your still taking a cheap shot at a tragic situation to further your own agenda.
Perhaps you should change your argument to this: As a result of the time change rammed through by our Napoleonic Governor, the child was unable to get to sleep early enough, thus making her groggy in the morning and causing her to fall under the bus. Here’s your headline “Gov’s Time Change Kills Little Girl”…..
I sincerely believe most people reading this, whether they agree with my politics or not, would have to agree, your using this little girls death to further your case, is disingenuous at best.
As I’ve stated before, we could just move the school day back an hour and be done with worrying about kids in the dark.
Tim,
Your response focuses on my title, educational background and ultimately my integrity. You fail to focus on the scientific data presented about dawn and sunrise on April 2. I don’t know if it’s your desire to be on the same time as Ohio and Michigan all year round, or some other reason, that clouds your judgement. The data speaks for itself that darkness cannot be ruled out as a contributing factor. Now if you have a copy of the police report that states “Morning darkness played no role in the accident,” then I would have to review my stance. But take into account that the police weren’t there when the accident happened. You or I weren’t there either. All we can go on is the facts ( or data) as they present themselves, and draw our own conclusions. That is what any scientists does.
The idea that she didn’t get enough sleep, was groggy, and causing her to fall under the bus, is highly unlikely. Sunset on April 2 was 8:06 PM and dusk was 8:34 PM, so her sleep being disrupted by sunlight, is likely not to hold any merit, unlike the disruption of sleep patterns in the summer.
Present to me any factual data (not the newspaper article) that refutes my conclusion.
David Kinney
Dr. Kinney, with all due respect, I can understand the debate about the time zones (as one who lived with it for 5 years), don’t get over the top, I get that no matter where time zones are drawn, the folks who are divided by time zones are going to be irate, no matter where the time zones are drawn, state lines or no state lines.
Mr. Kinney:
I side with the Gov on DST and staying on EDT, but hey it’s just my opinion and with this issue you will never satisfy everybody. How realistic do you think it is that the state (or most of it) will switch to CDT? Let’s hypothetically say that the whole state minus a few counties next to Louisville and Cincinnati (as they were prior to the whole state going to DST) go to CDT. It seemes to me that several adjacent counties to the 5 or so counties next to Cincy and Louisville could make a strong case to go to EDT. Additionally Ft. Wayne and NE Indiana could also make a case to stay on EDT as much of the Ft. Wayne TV market is in Ohio. This could make the state even more fragemented compared to what it was prior to all of the state observing DST when we had two chunks in CDT, a couple of small chunks (next to Louisville, Cincy) in EDT and the rest of the state on EST.
Also – – Did you see the results of a survey that David Crooks had from his constituents in SW Indiana? An overwhelming majority (something like 2/3rds) don’t have a link exact numbers stated they preferred to go EDT, the main objection was the very early sunsets in December, January.
I respect your opinion, but I just don’t think it’s realistic to put the entire (or most) of the state on CDT. Most people I know who are opposed to DST say that EDT and the late summer sunsets are the “lesser of 2 evils” compared to the very early sunsets in the Winter with CDT.
Mr. Kinney:
The whole idea of Eastern daylight savings time is ridiculous for Indiana. Do you realize that Indiana is the only state that lies entirely geographically within one time zone (Central) but most of the state is assigned by the DOT to another time zone (Eastern).
What about the Upper Peninsula of Michigan?? Most of that (except a few counties adjacent to Wisconsin) are on EDT. Additionally, Thunder Bay Ontario is even further West, but is on EDT.
unioncitynative,
I don’t see it in any way as being over the top, if your referring to my position on children’s safety in the morning dark. A 2004 NHTSA study substantiates my claim on the dangers of morning darkness on the safety of school children. Given all the data I’ve obtained, I arrived ( and so have many of my associates) at the conclusion presented.
In reference to the time zone line splitting a basic trading area (i.e Marshall & Starke Counties), the whole idea of the DOT assigning time zones was based on the convenience of commerce. So what is wrong with this picture. And if the governor had not broken the law as it was written to respect the wishes of any county executive wishing to change time zones, we probably wouldn’t be having this discussion, as Marshall and Starke Counties both petitioned for a change. The fact that at a daylight savings time hearing, the governor’s assistant walked up to my friend from Starke County, and specifically told him that he would be taken care of, leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The fix was in. If you were not at the daylight savings time hearings or the DOT hearing as I was, then you have know idea of all the manipulation that was going on, and had nothing to do with what the people wanted. So much for your legislator or governor being voted “By the people, for the people.”
David Kinney
Doctor Kinney, You have misinterpreted my post. My immediate focus was, in fact, on your title, education, and what I believe to be your utter LACK of integrity. I have a few PHD’s in my family, so I’m very familiar with condescending people.
Your contention that the “data” speaks for itself that darkness cannot be ruled out as a contributing factor is preposterous. It was never ruled IN as a factor. It was never alleged, alluded to, or even mentioned that darkness may have played ANY part in the accident. That is your assertion…alone.
You simply plucked a convenient tragedy out of the news to bolster your argument about time zones. I personally don’t care if we’re on EST or CST, I’ll find a way to cope.
I’m also not surprised my sarcastic example (illustrating how anyone can make an asinine argument about anything) fell on deaf ears.
I also find your closing priceless, “Present to me any factual data (not the newspaper article) that refutes my conclusion.”
Well Matlock, It seems to me if you’re going to cite DST as contributory in her death (in print) you might want to have a little more “proof” than just your conclusion.
Especially if her family see’s it in print, you might get an opportunity to explain your conclusion in a court room.
Studies that show darkness as a factor in other accidents don’t necessarily mean it was in THIS accident. Again, somehow all the other kids got on the bus. So the bus wasn’t in stealth mode. The driver wasn’t looking for this kid because the sibling had said the kid wasn’t riding the bus that day. This seems to be a MUCH more critical piece of the story than the time of day. A driver can look at the mirrors in daylight or darkness all he wants, but at some point the eyes have to go forward for the purpose of driving. If at that point a kid (especially one that supposedly isn’t riding the bus that day) comes into the view of the mirror in an attempt to get on the bus–but the door has closed and the driver has commenced looking forward to start driving–then something bad can happen, in daylight or in darkness.
Let me tell you people something if this accident in Clear Lake happened in one of the counties currently observing Central time in the early evening darkness we experience during the Fall and Winter Ice Miller LLP would have been all over it and listed it in their documentation of that you can count on!I have read every document this law firm has written and they submit anything to help their case whether it’s true or not and much of it is not and has been proven to the DOT so this is why unlike in the Pulaski county case proving the casae for Eastern time hasn’t been any cake walk!
Here is Dave Crooks record concerning this issue.He championed Central time and a time zone referendum all the way up until the election and through election day.He appeared on 22 magazine on PBS saying Central time his challenger Ron Arnold ran on Eastern time.Right after the election Crooks switched to Eastern time on the strenght of a legislative survey 1692 for Eastern,838 for Central 59 no opinion.This was not a scientific survey and the district has 61,000 people in it!
I have exchanged several emails with Crooks who is a stand up person in that regard.He even offered to return a campaign contribution because we could never have supported him if we knew he was going to switch to Eastern time.
The most important thing in the time zone debate is the commuter numbers for those who will be inconvenienced and the numbers favor the SW counties remaining on Central time.
The importance of the Ohio market to Fort Wayne television stations is overstated. During the last seasons we observed year-round standard time the Fort Wayne television stations delayed all taped network programming one hour when Ohio was observing DST. As a result our late night local newscasts (at least the ABC, NBC, CBS affiliates) appeared at “midnight” EDT in Ohio. If Fort Wayne were on Central Time, programming scheduled for “8 Eastern/7 Central” would appear at 8 in Ohio and 7 in Indiana. BTW, a letter indicated as being from the GM for the local Fox affiliate (channel 55) appears in the DOT docket advocating moving the state to Central. I’d guess that Fox affiliates, with their heavy schedule of sports, might be warmer on CT than other stations due to a fear of losing their audience due to the lateness of some sports telecasts.
Ice Miller isn’t participating in the argument here. If Rudy Giuliani were discussing the accident, he would invoke 9/11. People are going to do what they do naturally. But just because someone else in some other forum would have inaccurately attributed an accident to evening darkness doesn’t mean someone here should get a pass to attribute an accident to morning darkness.
Holy crap, this comment thread’s gotten a little testy, huh??? How about we focus on the most important thing, namely Doug’s got a cute kid with a great name???
Thanks Glenn!
Harper Lee is a cool name Doug, must have been your wife’s choice?
You got the family dynamic pegged, Tim!
(The boy’s full name is Lincoln Joseph Masson a/k/a “Cole”. I got my way with the “Lincoln.”)
T: Since we weren’t there, we don’t know exactly what happened. I felt that your comments, while perhaps not intended to be, were insensitive. A child is dead, maybe darkness was a factor, maybe the child was hearing-impaired and that wasn’t mentioned in the story, maybe the bus driver did what s/he would always do upon thinking that all the children were on the bus, as you have asserted. Do we really know, however?
BTW: I remember walking to school in all kinds of snow, sleet, freezing rain, darkness, etc. back in the day. There was no school bus service in Richmond at the time, except for the kids who went to Boston or Pleasant View, perhaps for special needs children, also. Everyone else had to walk, IIRC. Yeah, I survived, and so did my friends and family, but what does that have to do with this recent accident?
In re: TV markets: Over here in Wayne County, we watch Ohio TV stations. I don’t know anyone who had problems with TV coming on an hour earlier for part of the year back when we were on year-round EST. Most people I’ve talked to loved the earlier times for TV shows and had no problems figuring out what time it was in Ohio–or anywhere else. People I’ve talked to also liked having more daylight in the morning rather than evening. Sure, it is anecdotal evidence, but please don’t assume that all of us in the eastern border counties can’t function unless we are on the same time as Ohio.